Waco spiritual leader: ‘Use force’ to discipline children

Waco spiritual leader: ‘Use force’ to discipline children

WACO — Church leaders at Homestead Heritage, the religious commune north of Waco, are allegedly encouraging parents to brutally discipline their children.

A News 8 investigation has already uncovered evidence that church elders failed to timely report allegations of sexual abuse of at least two children within the Homestead community.

Now some former members say the brutal disciplining of children is an on-going threat, due to a private pact between church leaders and parents to severely discipline children who don’t conform to church doctrine. It’s an allegation church leaders deny.

Homestead Heritage is a 1,000 member congregation located on a 500-acre, gated commune north of Waco, where God and family come first. But the wholesome, carefree appearances portrayed on publicity videos, according to some who have left, is a facade, masking a quiet culture of abuse.

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Waco spiritual leader: ‘Use force’ to discipline children

I have to make a confession here; 51 years ago, in New Iberia, La., I was nearly beaten to death by my father. Had my mother not been a nurse and able to care for me, I would have ended up in a hospital, or dead. I used to wonder why my mother didn’t do something to stop the abuse, but she too was afraid.

In my young mind I didn’t see, or know about the abuse that SHE suffered as well. I guess a 2 year old sister at home when I was 7 and in school wasn’t enough to stop the urge to abuse.

Some people abuse, that’s what they do. Fifty years ago the public tended to look the other way. Law Enforcement didn’t get involved, unless there was someone beaten so badly that they did end up hospitalized, or dead.

Some people make excuses for the abusers, ‘Well, he just doesn’t know any better, its all because he was raised as an abused child himself’, and THAT is the most lame excuse I have ever heard. I was seriously abused as a child and I didn’t abuse MY children.

Some people are abusers simply because they are sadistic sons a bitches and they truly enjoy inflicting pain on others.

Some abuse in the name of *GOD* and claim they are only using severe discipline to show that particular person *The Way*. I suppose that’s where the expression *beating the hell out of you* comes from.

Over the past six months, story after story of physical abuse has been recounted to News 8 by former Homestead members who say they left when conditions became intolerable.

Isaac Alexander said his family was forced out of the church, but only after a relative alerted Child Protective Services of his father’s on-going, physical abuse.

“My father would use paddles and belts to punish me and my brothers,” Alexander said. “The worst would be fresh little peach tree branches or fishing poles. He would leave marks, absolutely. I mean we are talking you couldn’t sit down for a couple of days.”

Praise GAWWWWWDDDDDD and beat the children. What a crock!

I have 3 grown children and make no mistake, I was a stern father, and yes, I DID *spank* my kids on occasion, but it was a very RARE occasion. My kids behaved, and they behaved well. And they all turned out well!

One of my daughters was the kind that all you had to do was talk to her to get the message across. Her twin sister was a hard-headed little girl and she was mischievous, she would get into everything, and she only got 3, maybe 4 spankings in her young life. My son was ALL BOY and he was a Mini-Me. Even he will tell you, I only busted his butt when he forced me to by leaving no other alternative. But even then, I didn’t BEAT my kids.

Spare the rod and spoil the child is a much misunderstood phrase.

Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline. (Proverbs 13:24)

A child has to know discipline, otherwise you are allowing a miscreant to form and YOU are the biggest contributing factor. Nowhere can I find ANY precedence for BEATING a child or a wife, except in Islam.

Former member Jeremy Crow said he will never forget the night his parents beat his 5-year-old brother.

“One would beat him until they couldn’t beat him anymore and they would raise their hand and the other would take over,” Crow said. “And they would beat him. And we could hear him screaming for quite a while and then the screaming would stop and we would hear them say, ‘say thank you.’ And then it would start over again.”

That particular blockquote sends chills up and down my spine. I KNOW what it’s like to be taking that beating and for it to be so intense that your abuser has to stop and rest before they can continue with the beating.

NO CHILD DESERVES TO BE BEAT!

I have to once again thank Brett Shipp at WFAA here in Dallas for his magnificent reporting. I hope this work comes to fruition with a full investigation into these bastards at Homestead Heritage, and if found guilty, I hope they suffer the most severe penalties the law allows.

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11 Responses to Waco spiritual leader: ‘Use force’ to discipline children

  1. mgallops says:

    I can promise you Fred, what these idiots are doing has NOTHING to do with God or anything He or the Bible teaches!!! You were exactly right when you said it should be about DISCIPLINE!!! When I was training future foster parents, who by law CAN’T use ANY physical discipline, I told then about another Bible verse that mentions the rod. It’s in Psalm 23: 4, “your rod and your staff, they comfort me”. Kinda hard to comfort and beat at the same time, don’t ya think? :)

    My guns are loaded. Wanna go to Waco and teach these folks a lesson?

    Michael

    • TexasFred says:

      Oh, I am certain it has nothing to do with God or the REAL teachings of the bible…

      Mine are loaded, all spare mags are loaded, if need be, you bet, we can round up a posse and go straighten this mess out!

  2. mrchuck says:

    What’s going on in the Tyler area?
    Wasn’t David Koresh and his followers enough,,, and now this?
    It’s time for a full investigation by the Texas Rangers, like they did on the Warren Jeffs perp out in West Texas.

  3. mrchuck says:

    OOPS !!! IT is the Waco area.

  4. Dick Robie says:

    Fred, you have done well. Beating and abuse is unconcionable and as a society we should not tolerate it. Where is our law enforcement in all this stuff in Waco. Not the Feds, local or State. ???? Seems to me it would be easy to find out the facts and put an end to it.

  5. Katie says:

    There is NO excuse to abuse a child. Spanking is not abuse. I found taking away privileges and desserts worked better than a spanking at times. But what this creature has done and is doing goes beyond criminal. Goes beyond common decency. Is as far from God’s love as Hell is as far from Heaven.

    God has made a very special place for creatures like him. I hope he goes there soon.

  6. np213 says:

    My heart goes out to the children. I was never abused or beaten, and I don’t want to imagine what it would be like to have to deal with those beatings at the time, or the memories later.

    That being said, I do have 2 boys, who are, no doubt, just like my father’s son. I do believe in spanking, taking away privileges, and talking to my boys. Call it the cop in me, but I believe in an escalation of force when it comes to disciplining children. I believe talking should be first, then privileges, then spanking, but, just as in a police force continuums, sometimes certain things a child does warrant a spanking right off the bat!

    I personally try not to use my hands to discipline the boys, because I believe that a father’s hands should be used to show love. So, a quick trip to Lowe’s resulted in the purchase of “The Bobo Maker” (a 12 in. paint stirrer). It’s funny, since the Bobo Maker has been around, it’s hardly been used! Mentioning the Bobo Maker seems to stop most problems directly!

    • TexasFred says:

      *The Bobo Maker*… That is SO cool…

      For those that don’t know, NP213 is my Son, and he has 2 boys of his own and a baby on the way so we are told, and by golly he has made a fine Dad!

  7. You don’t beat kids. You don’t sexually abuse kids. You may discipline kids. But you don’t beat or abuse them. The toughest time I had in my current LE life was when I worked CAB (our Child Abuse Bureau). When you were the rookie in the unit, you first received all the dead, burned, shaken, twisted, broken baby cases. Those were the most difficult to investigate, the cases on which you had to become facile before you could graduate to the abuse cases, where you had to match minds with and be superior to the cunning, plotting, mindfucking NAMBLA assholes. But when I put away a pederast, I customarily got more time for those cases than many of my later Homicide cases. And, in truth, they were more satisfying to slam.

    BZ

  8. Texasperated says:

    Fred, the most common excuse is that the abuser just “lost control.” Well, that is no excuse … but it is also not true. Let somebody show up in a uniform and see how quickly that idiot “regains” his composure. It is bullying, pure and simple. It is not spanking and it is not discipline. It is criminal.

    Keep your powder dry

    PS mgallops: Could be a little eye for an eye might be just what is needed here.

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