Army reviews troop use after fatal Ala. shootings

Army reviews troop use after fatal Ala. shootings

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) – The Army said Wednesday it opened an inquiry into whether federal laws were broken when nearly two dozen soldiers were sent to a south Alabama town after 11 people died in a shooting spree last week.

State officials said the deployment of 22 military police officers and the provost marshal from Fort Rucker was requested neither by Republican Gov. Bob Riley nor the White House, which typically is required by law for soldiers to operate on U.S. soil.

Col. Michael J. Negard of the Army Training and Doctrine Command at Fort Monroe, Va., said officials are trying to determine who ordered the soldiers to Samson, who requested them, why they were sent and what they did there.

“In addition to determining the facts, this inquiry will also consider whether law, regulation and policy were followed,” he said. He declined further comment.

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Army reviews troop use after fatal Ala. shootings

Anyone that has ever read my blog knows, I AM pro Law Enforcement and Military, that said, I know there will be some that say, ‘if all these troops did was direct traffic and help out in a humanitarian way, what was the harm?’. And therein lies the problem. Were they there voluntarily, in an unofficial capacity, and their only intent being to help out their neighbors? Were they ordered there by someone? Was there a personal agenda at work? There are a lot of questions that need to be answered on this one. Here’s why:

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 16, 1878 after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order” on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States. More Here: Posse Comitatus Act

That seems pretty clear cut and easily understood to me, but it appears that the Posse Comitatus Act is subject to interpretation in modern times and in todays vernacular.

Is the Posse Comitatus Act totally without meaning today? No, it remains a deterrent to prevent the unauthorized deployment of troops at the local level in response to what is purely a civilian law enforcement matter. Although no person has ever been successfully prosecuted under the act, it is available in criminal or administrative proceedings to punish a lower-level commander who uses military forces to pursue a common felon or to conduct sobriety checkpoints off of a federal military post. Officers have had their careers abruptly brought to a close by misusing federal military assets to support a purely civilian criminal matter. More Here: The Myth of Posse Comitatus

A few freedoms won, a few freedoms lost, a few freedoms here, a few freedoms there, hey, no big deal, it’s just a few of our freedoms and it doesn’t effect ME and my getting to watch Dancing with the Stars and American Idol. Right?

Yes, it DOES matter, to ALL of us! But so many in America are as blind as bats! They can’t see what is going on right before their very eyes. ANY freedom that we allow the government to take from us is a freedom we will NEVER get back. Americans sit idly by, literally filled with apathy, as our inalienable rights are steadily being chipped away, eroded, and yet there is a HUGE part of our population that just doesn’t seem to give a damn.

As one of my favorite bloggers, Bloviating Zeppelin is fond of saying, and I paraphrase, ‘it’s all about the free cheese and as long as the apathetic are getting their free cheese, it’s all good’…

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15 Responses to Army reviews troop use after fatal Ala. shootings

  1. Ingrid says:

    Fred, they are testing us. This is just a first of many before the big deployment next year.

    What was I saying about the military sweating the cut. Not sure if they will side for the true constitution….,.,will only hope.

  2. Katie says:

    Or it could be a warm up to what will come. I just pray that the men and women serving in our military stay true to their oath to protect and defend the Consititution. Otherwise, Obama will have it all and can do what he wants to us.

  3. Hyunchback says:

    I hope you are wrong, Ingrid.

    Not sure, though, that you are.

    I want to see a public hearing tracking the orders back to find out who gave the orders and I want the person at the top of that chain to do prison time.

    No U.S. military should be allowed to think they have authority without the chain of command. No politician should be allowed to think they have the authority without the chain of command.

    There was ONE seat that had the authority, the President. No one else. If someone overstepped they need to be in prison.

    If it was the President he needs to be impeached.

  4. Doc Roy says:

    Fred…I just read DOD Directive 1404.10. Effective 23 January 2009. Establishing the DOD Civilian Expiditionary Workforce. Obama’s civilian army. We are rapidly being changed into a soviet style country, behind the scenes. Our news media is complicit in keeping these frightening moves unreported. Our populace is completely unaware! This DOD Directive makes the Possee Comitas Act completely obsolete. The brohaha over AIG bonuses is only a smokescreen. Demonize big business, make people hate business, that’s the trick.

  5. brwnavy says:

    Exactly so Doc Roy. My first instinct after reading this article, was here it comes….stage 1…a test.

    Too many will sluff this off as no big deal, afterall it was just some sleepy little town in Alabama right?
    NO! This is a big deal and we damn sure better be on our guard.

    Events are moving rapidly toward usurping our Constitution in small but deliberate steps. We cannot wait for the elctions in 2010 to take back CONgress. Certainly not 2012.
    Now is the time. There are no more excuses to wait.

    Molon Labe

  6. BobF says:

    Weren’t troops brought in at Waco without the Governor’s request? Posse Comitatus is what prevented Federal Troops from immediately going into New Orleans after Katrina hit.

  7. TopGun says:

    It is all under the guise of “allowing the government to be able to immediately act in times of emergency” like Katrina or any other national disaster, but it takes away the protection of what the Act originally intended to give to the people.

    Off topic: I watched that 2 hour video by Alex Jones, Deception of Obama. It is a real eye opener to actions coming. I had already watched several other videos documenting some of what it covers in the past 5 years. There is too much evidence out here for it not to be true, and they do not care what the public knows now, being they are blatantly expediting their plans at break neck speed.

    These little “tests” of the military are tests to see public reaction and determine how they will adjust for opposition.

    This country will not make it till 2010 to be able to stop him. It will all be determined on who has a backbone to stand up when the time comes to fight. People need to start talking now off the phone and off the email.

  8. ChicagoRay says:

    Great post and comments here, this is testing us all and the Media like they do everything in Obama’s world, by polling and committee. We need to keep all eyes open as this AIG smokescreen and other BS keeps everyone’s eyes off the =shell with the nut under it.\

    The Hussein Razzle Dazzle Obamaboozle.

  9. jd3 says:

    This act is to prevent the civilian government from creating a dictatorship using the armed forces….any instance of improper use should be investigated and dealt with harshly…this is not a law that needs interpretation….the only time military should be called in is when a natural disaster has occurred and martial law has been declared in that zone or area…it worked well after Hurricane Camille hit Mississippi…I know as I was there and in the military…it worked fine…and was monitored…and ended when the necessity ended….this is something that bears watching if we are to protect our Constitution….

  10. TexasFred says:

    That’s the part I SO hate JD, a lot of government ideas work really well, until they run totally amok! I fear this was a *fishing expedition*, one done simply to see what the *civilian* reaction would be…

    If I didn’t know better I would think Machiavelli himself was the one pulling Obama’s strings…

  11. Ingrid says:

    Well, Hyunchback, (am I pronouncing that correctly?)
    tracking back to find who gave the order will be a laugh.
    Obama will smile his gritty smile on tv and say…they were deployed to the wrong place or we will thoroughly investigate this incident and as the scenario continues…..what act is this….5 or 6…..it will be time for another big bail out diversion and all you idiots (you and me) will just be reading more about the Alabama incident on the web blogs or news sites and that will (should) satisfy our curiosity.

    Are we investigating, researching and trying to find the truth because we have nothing better to do with our lives?
    Think about it people.

    It’s time to gather friends and relatives and set up a community party…..F@#@# the tea bags. That’s what they want us to do. Bring refreshments, pen and paper and a camera. How far can you travel? Let Fred or me know…Hope that’s okay Fred!!!

    I’ll call this gathering….”Help for Our Children” HOC

    See everyone soon

  12. Ingrid says:

    I forgot to mention that I picked this title from “ad hoc” which in Latin means “for this”.

    FOR THIS MY CHILDREN I WILL NOT FORSAKE YOU AND MY FUTURE GENERATIONS.

    We must start the movement.

    For this reason we must act very, very soon.

  13. Carl Andrews says:

    As Doc Roy said, the (Obama’s) brownshirts are coming.
    I did a posting about “Obama’s Draft” a while back, I said it then and I’ll say it now:
    Both of my kids are in the age group that Obama wants to make into his own private little army.
    THEY ARE NOT GOING!!
    My daughter is already planning to join the Marines, my son would also but some health issues prevent that.
    Regardless, I’ll be damned if some suit in Washington is going to TELL me and my kids what they have to do.

  14. As a former Air Force “Cop” (Security Police) I can’t imagine being sent to “downtown” Dover, Delaward, or Rome, NY, to quell crime…now in Vietnam(Nha Trang) it was different. But stateside that pesky little thing called The Constitution might prevent that, unless authorized by the Prez, and those times must be few and far between.

  15. Ingrid says:

    This was big news yesterday, 3/18. Today, 3/19, not a peep, smerch, noda, nothing, ziltch.

    I wonder what the media was told to keep them all quite?

    I haven’t heard anything all day. Have you?

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